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What you should have known...



...Before Posting that comment

on the newest DD that you thought was "undeserving" of a DD.

:bulletred: Daily Deviations are a 24 hour feature. Nothing more.
:bulletred: GMs select DDs based on their own feelings towards a piece of art. As artists themselves, they do not always reflect every deviants beliefs and views of art1.
:bulletred: A deviant receiving a DD does not have any say in the matter. In fact they probably didn't know they even had a chance at getting a DD!

...Before sending that GM a disrespectful note

about their newest given DD.

:bulletorange: Gallery Moderators are volunteers
:bulletorange: GMs are human just like you
:bulletorange: GMs feature art they think is amazing. If they featured it they had a reason behind it.
:bulletorange: Using Swear words and disrespect tends to get you ignored instead of an answer. Try writing a GM with respect.
:bulletorange: Try seeing it their way from time to time. Perhaps the DD you dislike is actually amazing but you just haven't had a chance to look at it a certain way.

...Before writing that disrespectful note/comment/journal

about that new Daily Deviation.

:bulletyellow: It's against dA Policy and Rules to be disrespectful!2
:bulletyellow: It reflects badly on you. What you write will be seen by many other deviants and you will be viewed as a disrespectful deviant.
:bulletyellow: There is no need. If instead of spamming disrespect and hate, you simply wrote the GM Respectfully, it would all have been taken care of already!

...Before disrespecting that Gallery Moderator



:bulletblack: GMs are Volunteers (Yes I said this already, it's something you need to remember)
:bulletblack: They have taken hours and hours of their life in order to help this community
:bulletblack: They were hand picked by $Moonbeam13 which means they can't of been horrible as they would have never been chosen.

...Before writing that dA Hate Article

that you recently posted or commented on supporting

:bulletblue: Hate articles (or rant articles) don't help anyone.
:bulletblue: Hate articles incite 'violence' and do not help the community improve.
:bulletblue: Writing to the Help Desk, The Suggestions forum etc. is the correct thing to do.

...Before complaining

about anything.

:bulletpurple: You SIGNED UP for this website.
:bulletpurple: You can leave at any time.
:bulletpurple: You have to log in every day in order to complain
:bulletpurple: So you are already contradicting yourself by complaining.

:bulletpurple: No one enjoys listening to complaints.

...Before complaining that the dAr Category isn't art

and writing disrespectful comments to that effect

:bulletgreen: The deviantART Related Category is there to support the 2nd half of dA. It's Community.
:bulletgreen: In order for you to have written that disrespectful comment, you had to click on the deviation. Next time, just don't click on it and ignore it.

...Before having done anything like this



:bulletwhite: Consider what it might cause, weigh if that outcome is really worth it
:bulletwhite: If you were going to just Complain/Be Disrespectful etc., find out if there might be a better way to discuss the issue such as contacting the Admin or Volunteer who has concerned you or making a suggestion.



References


1 I have talked to deviants about all types of art including whether or not things like Comic Strips and Garfield (for example) are art. Some people say they are, others don't. This is the view I am speaking of.

2 See "Prohibited commentary is typically considered to be inherently disrespectful, aggressive, or otherwise abusive." Etiquette Policy as of January 15, 2011.



There are other ways to show dislike, sometimes the best way is to just ignore it. You don't ever have to click on a thumbnail you don't like.

Thanks to `PurpelBlur for his feedback as well as suggestions for this article and proof reading prior to it being posted.
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`Infinite-Heart Oct 4, 2012   General Artist
Well said Timber. :heart:
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=arjuu-na Aug 15, 2011  Student General Artist
Well, I think you've made a good point there. When it comes to DDs, I'm indifferent about them, but I'd be lying if I said I never wished I'd get a DD someday. But I do agree about voicing your opinions in a concise and polite manner. Even if it's the Internet, ye olde common courtesy would still get you a long way.

However I do think that, while you're giving us valid points, you probably worded out a few things wrongly and got some things wrong.

DDs aren't just a 24-hour feature. They never were. They'll always be there for people to see because you can browse through previous days to see past DDs anyway. Deviants who receive DDs would still get exposure. Just how exactly is that "nothing more"?

And I didn't sign up to deviantART to know that I can't complain about anything about this site if I don't like it. That's really restrictive and almost dictatorial. I'll complain what I find horrible and love what I like, thank you. :| And everyone has to complain about something sometime. Would dA even flourish today if nobody complained when it was first established? I don't think so. And are authorities still going to tell me to leave even though I love dA despite the things I hate about it?

Just my two cents.
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:iconyukikachan:
Opinions are opinions. As an artist, you should respect one's right to voice their opinion- whether it is right, or wrong.
So, you get a DD, and someone comes onto the page and says, "This is undeserving." or a really rude, distasteful comment. So WHAT? It's a comment! Just ignore it. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just simply ignore the hate. Those people will usually drop it anyway. Though, if they are HARASSING their opinion onto other people, then it's time to put that person in the right place in this situation.

You are way more immature than the commenter to reply with equal anger.
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=HaanPere Jan 31, 2011   Digital Artist
I think that everyone is allowed to have an opinion. The way they voice their opinion isn't always right but you can't possibly take away their rights to have that opinion just because it doesn't please you. That just fights against common sense.

I also say that alike so many people on this article, I know DDs are more than just 24-hour features. You can go check them out ten years afterwards if you feel like it! They're right there, in the "browse DDs" section. :| They're featured till the day the deviation is removed from the site.
Also. People don't only look at that one picture, they roam the deviant's main page and possibly even a gallery and if things go well, the deviant receives not only ten thousand favorites but also a few hundred watchers. Now if this is "just a 24-hour feature", we should just get rid of the DDs and all this drama and bullshit or make it into a system that actually works.


TL;DR: Please don't make hate-articles about people having opinions and please, if you just could, try being polite and respect others' opinions. Otherwise, I'm afraid it's best if you left Da and searched for some "better" site.

I am hoping to receive an unbiased and respective reply. But in case none can be provided, I hope you'll do as you told others to do, and not reply at all.
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:iconninja-ralph:
Thats a bit wrong in my opinion, we're supposed to be taught while growing up that if we have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. I'm all for being honest if someone asks for my opinion but not all artists have been professionals for years , everyone has to start somewhere.

So if you tell the featured deviant that their work is bad then you're just being a prick and if you send the moderator who featured the deviation a nasty note, again, just being a prick!

We all have work that some people don't like and we all have :+fav:'d work that others may not like, just quietly deal with it.
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:iconhaanpere:
=HaanPere Feb 1, 2011   Digital Artist
You know, it doesn't matter a crap's shit whether you tell someone random that their art could improve or whether you tell it to a featured artist. But, as you kinda proved, telling it to a featured artist is seemingly wrong(which I can't understand since they're just people like us). They don't choose to be featured but it still won't make them immune for criticism(and I do know very well how to be polite about my opinion, therefore you can drop that "prick"-comment, thank you).

Around here, honesty and politeness is everything. Kids get taught to tell their opinion, omg, in a polite manner(aka not being pricks since not telling whether something can be improved is just wrong). If you never speak your mind, absolutely nothing will change, that's just common sense.

About being an idiot when commenting:

So if you tell a featured artist that their art is "the best" no matter what level their skills are on but don't tell them that they have room for improvement, you should really deserve a big kick in the balls, preferably with heavy shoes. You give someone the illusion that they're WAY better than they are and they're less prominent to improve. Much less.

And yes, criticism is telling people what in their art went wrong. Telling "your anatomy is off", "the light-source is unclear", "the arm's muscles are reversed" or "That pose looks bad" isn't wrong unless you're a complete bitch about it(aka: trolling). Unless you're trolling, you're being 100.000% more helpful than any "omfg tis awesome"-commenter ever was.

Just my two cents. :|
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:iconninja-ralph:
I'm talking about people blatantly saying stuff like "This is shit and not worthy of a DD". That kind of thing, offering constructive criticism is completely different.

If you took that as me calling you a prick then you took it of of context, unless you have done the whole "This is shit and not worthy of a DD" thing. It wasn't directed at you, just the people who do it :)

Just giving my opinion as you weren't clear on the whole lot in your main comment, all cleared up in this reply though :)
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:iconhaanpere:
=HaanPere Feb 1, 2011   Digital Artist
And I'm talking about voicing one's opinion, not just the "tis sux!11#1"-stuff. But, as I've seen, every last comment that isn't positive about the deviation gets an angry reply and the link to "what to do when the DD doesn't please me"-FaQ, which is, in my opinion, extremely rude and stupid. Most of the people saying "I don't understand why this got a DD" are simply confused and unlike the article's writer wants them to, shouldn't just "fuck off".(that part of the article was horribly rude towards everyone who doesn't say nice stuff only)

I didn't take it as calling me prick, I took it as calling everyone who's ever said anything negative towards a DD, a prick(if you didn't mean that every negative comment is "being a prick", I apologize, that's just the image your reply gave me). I've never said that some "shit" doesn't deserve a DD, although I have said that I don't understand why something got a DD because honestly, every day there's at least one DD that's clearly not DD-material. Why some people feature them is a complete mystery to me.

I thought I was pretty clear in my first comment but if I wasn't, I'm glad the second comment made my opinion clear.
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:iconninja-ralph:
Yeah thats it mate! We just have to do our own thing I guess, there are a lot of members of this site all with different tastes, the main thing is we all respect each other for being art lovers of some type :) Have a good day mate :)
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`TimberClipse Jan 31, 2011  Professional Filmographer
I will just point out the DD I got I only received a couple of watchers ;)
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